Revelation 8

This report is based on the Revelation 7 report that establishes the dates for the seals of Revelation chapter 7. In that earlier report the 7th seal is given a date. From here, the Revelation chapter 8 dialog sets out a chronological riddle. This page attempts to give the dates.

Epoch, 7th seal

The 7th seal is Simeon’s seal, and it identifies France as the lost tribe of Israel. The following is the report for that tribe.

Biblically speaking a "seal" is a thing used to sign documents. Judah’s seal was taken from him as collateral for payment for services of a prostitute and the discovery of the seal later would let the prostitute off the hook and identify Judah. This story provides the proof text for use of seals to identify tribes. This is how the concept of a seal is used in Revelation 7.

Since seals are placed on paper, typically a scroll, in the middle, the sealing period should be 12,000 days wide with the seal date on the middle day. Since 12,000 is an even number the sealing date must be two days wide.

The start of the seal period is beyond the scope of this report. It basically begins at the end of the 7 times punishment.

The following report indicates the exact modern dates for each of the seal date periods indicated by the story in Revelation 7.

Sealing of Simeon, Seal 7
Seal of Simeon
Tue12800-06-23 AA10 Oct 1809 NS28 Sep 2562 AUC4669223 AAN
3300-06-23 FE28 Sep 1809 OS28 Sep 1809 AD2382066 JDN

This seal date identifies France.

The event was the Battle of Wagram on July 5 and 6, 1809, when France defeated Austria. 300,000 men had gathered, 80,000 died.

This battle caused the end of the war of the Fifth Coalition and lead to the signing of the Treaty of Schönbrunn on October 14, 1809.

1/2 hour of silence

The parable in Revelation 8 begins with 1/2 hour of silence.

1When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. Revelation 8:1 NIV

1And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. Revelation 8:1 KJV

Calculations...

Each hour in Jesus Passion was a replay of 1 week in his ministry. Days in ministry were replaying 30 years of Adam’s race, so... each hour in Jesus ministry were 210 historical years.

210 is not a multiple of 50 years, the calendar periodicity, so the ratio that drives the rate cannot be established here.

Running the periods up by 5, yielding 5 hours replaying 1050 years is at a level where the calendar is an even multiple of jubilees.

1050 years is 21 jubilees. There are 608 months in a Jubilee so there were 608 * 21 = 12,768 months replayed every 5 hours in Jesus’ Passion week.

1/2 hour in Jesus’ Passion is 1/10 of 5 hours. So, 1/2 hour in a prophetic sense is 12,768/10 = 1,276.8 months.

Note that 1276.8 months, expressed as days, is 30 * 1276.8 = 38,304 days.

Now, each trumpet is spread across another 1/2 hour. This is a reuse of the 1/2 hour that sets the context. This also causes the answer to be about 15 years between trumpets which is on the day/night cycle of the 30:1 version of Jesus ministry.

Each trumpet is thus 1/7 of the 1276.8 months, or 182.4 months apart.

Expressed as days, those months are 182.4 * 30 = 5472 days.

Alternative...

This same number of days can be calculated knowing the average year length of 364.8 days/year.

364.8 days/year * 15 years = 5472 days.

End Of Silence

Using the 7th seal epoch from above, and adding the prophetic 1/2 hour, or the historic 38,304 days, the end of this time is...

End of 1/2 hour of Silence
Tue12905-06-17 AA25 Aug 1914 NS12 Aug 2667 AUC4707527 AAN
3405-06-17 FE12 Aug 1914 OS12 Aug 1914 AD2420370 JDN

This is 2 months after the June 28, 1914, assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian empire.

This is 1 month after the first declaration of war in WWI, when on July 28, 1914, Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia.

There were several other declarations of war in August of 1914, Germany-Russia, Germany-France, German invasion of Belgium Britain-Germany, and on August 23, Japan declared war on Germany.

Though this is interesting, the passage in Revelation 8 includes the word "about." There must be some other math factor on the time at the tail end of this interval that is more accurate.

Figuring About

There are several other places where "about" is used and these are often interesting whole numbers, 1/2 a day or some similar large even number. The "about" reference is not given a value here in Revelation 8.

For the rest of this report, an "about" value of 360 days is used.

This value is chosen because it is a whole amount of time, in this case 1 common year.

This value is also chosen because it pushes the 5th trumpet, see below, into the era of the first Persian gulf war, already a known prophetic story. That era includes the only other clear text references to 5 months, a prophetic replay of Noah’s flood.

Note that from the perspective of that war, a more interesting value would be 1.5 years, or so, but would not be a round whole number.

Also note the trumpets are mild until trumpet 5, which make sense since there is a limit on what can be done until after the sealing of the 144,000 itself over in the summer of 1990.

From the previous, the new "epoch" for the trumpets is the following:

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Note the entire offensive, which began earlier in the spring of 1915, would lead to national holidays, Anzac Day, in New Zealand and Australia. Both nations suffered higher casualty rates than other western powers in World War I.

Trumpets

Each of the trumpets in Revelation 11 is 1/7 of 1/2 of an hour apart.

The following are the dates.

Trumpet Dates
Trumpet 1
Wed12921-06-29 AA13 Aug 1930 NS31 Jul 2683 AUC4713359 AAN
3421-06-29 FE31 Jul 1930 OS31 Jul 1930 AD2426202 JDN
Trumpet 2
Mon12936-06-11 AA6 Aug 1945 NS24 Jul 2698 AUC4718831 AAN
3436-06-11 FE24 Jul 1945 OS24 Jul 1945 AD2431674 JDN
Trumpet 3
Sat12951-05-23 AA30 Jul 1960 NS17 Jul 2713 AUC4724303 AAN
3451-05-23 FE17 Jul 1960 OS17 Jul 1960 AD2437146 JDN
Trumpet 4
Thu12966-06-05 AA24 Jul 1975 NS11 Jul 2728 AUC4729775 AAN
3466-06-05 FE11 Jul 1975 OS11 Jul 1975 AD2442618 JDN
Trumpet 5
Tue12981-06-17 AA17 Jul 1990 NS4 Jul 2743 AUC4735247 AAN
3481-06-17 FE4 Jul 1990 OS4 Jul 1990 AD2448090 JDN
Trumpet 6
Sun12996-06-29 AA10 Jul 2005 NS27 Jun 2758 AUC4740719 AAN
3496-06-29 FE27 Jun 2005 OS27 Jun 2005 AD2453562 JDN
Trumpet 7
Fri13011-06-11 AA3 Jul 2020 NS20 Jun 2773 AUC4746191 AAN
3511-06-11 FE20 Jun 2020 OS20 Jun 2020 AD2459034 JDN

Known fulfillments

Taking the dates for each trumpet from the table above, the following are the Bible’s texts and the known fulfillment events.

Trumpet 1

7The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. Revelation 8:7 NIV

7The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. Revelation 8:7 KJV

August 13, 1930 is the date when 3 large fragments from the Perseid Meteor shower impacted in a remote area in Brazil.

This was the second largest known comet impact after the 1908 Tunguska impact in Russia.

This Brazilian impact caused the sun to turn red and a large area of tropical forest was burned away by the heat of the impact.

A full written account is here

Trumpet 2

8And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. Revelation 8:8-9 KJV

8The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. Revelation 8:8-9 NIV

August 6, 1945 is when Little Boy, the first nuclear weapon used in war, was dropped on Hiroshima.

A description of that bomb is here.

Note also that the last great naval battles were at World War II.

Trumpet 3

10The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water -- 11the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter. Revelation 8:10-11 NIV

10And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. Revelation 8:10-11 KJV

July 30, 1960 10 days after the first firing of 2 Polaris class of nuclear missiles from the nuclear powered USS George Washington, the USS George Washington fired the 3rd and 4th Polaris missiles at a target over 1000 miles down range in the south Pacific. This firing lead to the deployment of this class of nuclear powered nuclear armed submarine.

Details are here.

Note, this was in the middle of a nuclear test ban that lasted from 1958 until 1962. This same sub would fire a live nuclear warhead into the same range, for an in-air test, in 1962.

Trumpet 4

12The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night. Revelation 8:12 NIV

12And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. Revelation 8:12 KJV

July 24, 1975 is when the last flight of the American Apollo program landed (splashed down) after a link up with a Russian Soyuz capsule.

As part of the trip an artificial eclipse was created in order to photograph the sun’s aura.

Details of the flight are here

Trumpet 5

Trumpet 5 is preceded with a warnings about woes.

13As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: "Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!" Revelation 8:13 NIV

13And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! Revelation 8:13 KJV

This warning is likely a reference to the limited amount of damage possible until after the sealing of the 144,000 itself up in June, 1990.

1The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

7The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth. 9They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.

12The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come. Revelation 9:1-12 NIV

1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. 2And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. 3And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.Particle "mei" is used with "ei" for emphasis and should be used next to it, but in keeping with the rule of not joining two tags, I left it out. 5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. 6And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. 7And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. 8And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. 9And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. 10And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. 11And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. 12One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.UNfortunalty, there is no place in the KJV for "tauta" Revelation 9:1-12 KJV

July 17, 1990 is when Iraq accused Kuwait of flooding the oil markets. This precipitated a drop in the US Stock market, a sudden call by the Pentagon for military exercises and then the early August invasion of Kuwait by Iraq.

The war itself would follow the story of Noah’s flood and spread out over 40 days of fighting and 150 days until the UN sanctions regime was put in place.

Note: There was a July 16, 1990, earthquake in the Philippines that would kill 6000 and was probably a precursor to the Pinatubo eruption.

Trumpet 6

Hurricane Kitrina destroyed the mount of the Mississippi, which is the "Euphrates of the United States."

13And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. Revelation 9:13-14 KJV

13The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the horns of the golden altar that is before God. 14It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." Revelation 9:13-14 NIV

15And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. Revelation 9:15 KJV

15And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. Revelation 9:15 NIV

The "men" or "man" symbol is closely associated with the United States.

16The number of the mounted troops was two hundred million. I heard their number.

17The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur. 18A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths. 19The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.

20The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood -- idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts. Revelation 10 Revelation 9:16-21 NIV

16And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.I think perhaps "hunred" should be enclosed in F1 tags 17And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. 18By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. 19For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt. 20And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. Revelation 9:16-21 KJV

Trumpet 7

The following has not happened yet.

15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. Revelation 11:15-24 KJV

15The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever." 16And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17saying: "We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign. 18The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great -- and for destroying those who destroy the earth."

19Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm. Revelation 11:15-24 NIV